Mm... woops. I think I accidentally insulted someone. I thought I was reasonable, but I guess he didn't take it that way...

My mail to him:

Hi,

I e-mailed my friend already about this, to check it, but I noticed that a lot of his pictures are posted on your page. Problem is, that his signature is removed. It concerns the following pictures, made by Demitri Scaramanga:

http://www.thegenieharem.com/anime/shanadvan.jpg
http://www.thegenieharem.com/anime/redeyes.jpg
http://www.thegenieharem.com/anime/hikari.jpg
http://www.thegenieharem.com/anime/reigenie.jpg

There are more of his pictures in your gallery, but they have their signature still on it, and I also believe he gave permission for it. Most of your pictures in your gallery don't give credit to the original artists. If you would look at it legally, your gallery is violating the rights of copyright. I know that sometimes it's hard to give credit, but I advice you to start doing it. You may get into trouble one day if you won't.

Also, I would like to ask you to pull down a picture from your gallery. It's a picture I made, and that was donated by Anime Sultan. It's on page 4 and the adress is (http://www.thegenieharem.com/anime/rinigenie.jpg) The reason why I ask you to pull it down, is because I'm not getting any credit at all, and the other reason is Anime Sultan. He has stolen 2 of my pictures (one is that one, the other is only posted at his site) and because of that, I forbid ANYONE to post the picture on ANY site. I know that I once gave permission, but I changed my mind. Also, if someone would find that picture on your site, they will accuse you on thievery, since I stated that no one is allowed to post that picture.

And as a last subject, I heavily advise you to give credit on the following pictures, or to remove them. They are also on page 4.
http://www.thegenieharem.com/anime/serenaymoon.jpg
http://www.thegenieharem.com/anime/mikamoka.jpg
http://www.thegenieharem.com/anime/geniemika.jpg
They belong to Serenay Moon. If you would read the copyrightnotice on the site (http://dive.to/Kitt), you would find out that they are illegally on your page; no matter if they are donated or not. They don't belong to you but to me, and I did not gave permission to post these. If you give credit (with the site link), they may stay, otherwise you are in violation of copyright.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, and, even though it may be hard to believe, I'm mailing you this so you will stay out of trouble. Thank you for your patience and time, and awaiting your answer,

Sincere greetings,
Kitty Ocean

I thought I was being polite... I got a polite reply back anyway:



Hi,how are you? :o)
I know Demitri,he's a good guy and a friend of mine. I will admit that Jer is a REAL problem,and i am going to talk to him. I do not and have NEVER approved of taking copyright information off of images! The artist deserves credit;if he puts his info on his art,i make sure it stays there. If Jer is taking that info off, i will stop accepting submissions from him!
I am keeping the Demetri pics on the site. He has given me permission to use his stuff before,and he donates stuff. If he wants me to take them down i will,once he emails me.
If you want me to pull your art piece down,i will. I am not pulling down the last three pieces you mentioned because i AM "giving credit"...the artists' names are right on the pics!
In conclusion,if you or any other the other artists would like me to put a link on my site to your pages,i would be happy to do so. I would put the links on my link page.
Sincerely,
Alexi Razor
P.S. are you Darkkittywannabe on AIM? ;o)

So, since he was nice, I tried to find a solution both would like.

Hi, I'm fine thank you! I hope you are doing fine too.

I'm glad you always try to give credit; there are many people who 'forget' to do that. I would really appreciate it if you would pull my art piece down. I'm glad you understand.

As for the Serenay Moon pictures; yes, the artist's name is on it, but please remember that I own Serenay Moon. Demitri donated those pictures without asking me first. That was a misunderstanding we cleared up. I would really appreciate it if you would post a link near it, because that will avoide future trouble, when Serenay Moon gets for sale. Because, when that happens, if you don't give credit, it's like taking images from Naoko Takeuchi (Sailor Moon) and not giving credit.

And I would hate it if I would have to take legal actions; especially because you are so understanding and co-operative. It's because Serenay Moon WILL get for sale.

I hope we can come to an agreement. I thank you for your patience and understanding. I don't meet people like that often on the net. (Most of the time it is : SHUT UP YOU *****).

I just came up with an other solution. Maybe you could put in the alt="blahblah" code: This picture belongs to Serenay Moon. I guess 60% of the problem is then already solved; what do you think? Besides, Serenay Moon has a genie-related comic online ^_~.

Greetings
Kitty Ocean
PS. No, I'm not darkkittywannabe- the name sounds familiar though. Isn't that a girl who plays or played in Shadowed Moon?

Quite a resonable solution, right? And I just want to warn him that when Serenay Moon comes for sale, he could get intro trouble, and since he was nice I didn't want that!

His reply:

Fuck this ridiculous shit. I have 3000 images on my site,i can't be bothered to waste my valuable time altering pics so that they have a PARAGRAPH of artists' info on it!! Nor am i going to ruin the look of my site by putting "artist's links near the pics". Please!
So i took your pics down. If you don't want to be on a site that gets 1000 hits per month FINE. Who needs free exposure,right?
I can't believe you threaten my with legal action! My site doesn't make any MONEY,moron!
Goodbye and good riddance,you unreasonable and difficult little child.

Eh........ why the sudden change? Why do I have a feeling he talked to Anime Sultan? I wanted to find a solution together, but appearantly I'm being unreasonable about that.....

My reply then:

Eh...... Why so angry? I thought I was being nice AND reasonable. I thought we could come to an agreement TOGETHER. I'm sorry to have upset you; I apologise. I'm sorry. And I didn't threat you with legal actions, I just told you what may be the consequenses in the very near future. Once again I apologise.
If you didn't want to do that, you could just have told that. Then I would have tried to find another solution.
And yes, I don't want to be on a site that gets 1000 hits a months. Free exposure is nice, but if I don't get any credit, or if people know how to find me, what is the point?

I'm sorry to have upset you, and I even can understand why you insult me by calling names. I don't hold any grudges or so. I thank you for taking my picture down. Again, I apologise; it wasn't my intention to insult you.

I hope you will accept my apologies. Could you tell me what part of the mail you thought was insulting? Then I can learn from my mistakes.

Greetings and apolgies,
Kitty Ocean.


Sometimes people so confuse me. I have the right on my own art, right? Then that should mean I should decide what happen to it, right? I just don't understand it....
In someone else's case... let's take.. Uumie and Blackout. If a picture from Blackout would suddenly get posted on someone else's site, and Uumie would get no credit, wouldn't Uumie want it to be taken down as well?
And what about Acrocat and Deep Blue Eyes? If her art would get posted on someone else's site, and she would get no credit, wouldn't she want it to get taken down too?

And why did he suddenly call names and so? That's what confuses me most; I thought I WAS reasonable... to show I'm willing to find a solution TOGETHER.

People are confusing. Yeah they are.